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A Turkish ‘Security Zone’ In Northeast Syria Is A Bad Idea

A Turkish 'Security Zone' In Northeast Syria Is A Bad Idea

January 16, 2019

A Turkish ‘Safety Zone’ In Northeast Syria Is A Bad Idea

U.S. President Trump needs U.S. troops to go away northeast Syria. His Nationwide Safety Advisor John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo tried to sabotage that transfer. Trump got here up with concept handy northeast Syria to Turkey, however quickly was advised that Turkey would battle the Kurdish YPK/PKK who the U.S. armed and used as proxy pressure towards the Islamic State.

Turkey has little interest in preventing the Islamic State or in occupying Raqqa and different Arabic ethnic cities alongside the Euphrates. Its solely curiosity is to stop the formation of an armed Kurdish entity that would threaten its mushy southern underbelly. It thus got here up with the thought of a “security zone” in Syria that it might occupy to maintain the Kurds away from its borders.


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However that border strip is strictly the place the key Kurdish settlements are. Ayn al-Arab, in Kurdish ‘Kobane’, and lots of different cities alongside the border all have largely Kurdish populations. These would definitely struggle towards a Turkish occupation. Turkey additionally needs to regulate the Manbij space west of the Euphrates.

Russia won’t permit Turkish management of extra Syrian land:

Russian Overseas Minister Sergei Lavrov stated Wednesday the Syrian regime should take management of the nation’s north, after calls from america to arrange a Turkish-controlled “security zone” within the space.

“We are convinced that the best and only solution is the transfer of these territories under the control of the Syrian government, and of Syrian security forces and administrative structures,” Lavrov advised reporters.

The Kurdish organizations and the Syrian authorities additionally additionally reject the Turkish plan:

“Syria affirms that any attempt to target its unity will be considered as a clear aggression and an occupation of its territories as well as a support and protection for the international terrorism by Turkey,” [an official source at Foreign and Expatriates Ministry] stated.

Turkey moved sufficient troops to its border to launch an invasion however the danger for its financial system is excessive. There are native elections in March and the Turkish President Erdogan doesn’t need to upset them by leaping right into a quagmire. Erdogan will quickly go to Russia once more and talk about the difficulty with President Putin. Almost certainly Erdogan will probably be satisfied that Syrian authorities management over the Kurdish areas, and Russian ensures for a principally quiet border, are a greater answer than a pricey Turkish occupation of a hostile inhabitants.

Earlier at present a suicide bomber killed four U.S. troopers and wounded a minimum of three in an assault in Manbij metropolis (video). A variety of YPK/PKK fighters and bystanders have been additionally killed or wounded. The incident occurred in entrance of a restaurant the place the U.S. troops presumably have been assembly somebody. In March 2018 an IED assault in Manbij killed two U.S. troopers.

Kurdish sources accused sleeper cells of Turkish supported terrorist teams of the incident. Ahmad Rahhal, a Turkish sponsored chief of the ‘Free Syrian Military’, accused ‘Syrian authorities brokers’ inside the Islamic State. A Turkish information service accused the YPG of duty. Others suspect the CIA initiated this to maintain Trump in Syria. Neither is probably going proper. The Islamic State took credit score by way of its common retailers and even named the suicide bomber.

The killed and wounded U.S. troops have been evacuated in a Sikorsky S-92 helicopter.

The S-92 shouldn’t be flown by U.S., French or British forces in Syria. The armed helicopter is probably going owned and operated by a personal army firm employed by the U.S. army for MedEvac providers. This once more proves that official U.S. numbers of two,000 troopers in northeast Syria don’t paint the complete image. There are certainly a number of hundreds extra, together with greater than 1,000 French troops, 200 British SAS and a number of other a whole lot if not hundreds of U.S. contractors who’re additionally concerned in fight missions.

The suicide assault in Manbij additionally confirms that the Islamic State, even because it misplaced almost all its territory, will live on as an underground terrorist group. One cause is that lots of its fighters escape by bribing the U.S. proxy forces who evacuate civilians from the final Islamic State held territory:

[T]he Syrian Observatory discovered that a few of those that fled the enclave of the group, and whereas being transported to Al-Omar Oilfield and earlier than being sorted out into camps, pay giant sums of cash so as to get out to areas reminiscent of Al-Busayrah, Theban and Gharanij, the place sums of cash exceed $ 10,000 are paid for worry of being arrested once they attain the camps into which they’re sorted out, and the sources prompt that generally, ISIS members and households of ISIS members are those who pay such sums of cash, the place they pay them to the events which are answerable for the transport to the camps from Al-Omar Oilfield, ..

The Observatory additionally stories that the escaping ISIS parts typically carry six digit greenback quantities that can be utilized for future assaults. It can take years, and loads of cooperation from the native individuals, to utterly root these parts out.

These U.S. politicians who need to proceed the U.S. occupation in Syria will use the Manbij incident to argue for a vast U.S. keep. ISIS would have gained. Those that, like Trump, need the U.S. out will use the incident to argue for an pressing retreat from the world.

Trump is more likely to win that argument.


Posted by b on January 16, 2019 at 11:51 AM | Permalink

The hypocrisy of most of the nations concerned within the assault on Syria has been world class.

Again on September 29, 2014 WashingtonsBlog reported that Turkey and Israel have been “Directly Supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda Terrorists In Syria”.

Additionally famous was that a Turkish newspaper wrote that Turkish nurses have been sick of giving free medical remedy to ISIS terrorists.

Israel was giving free medical remedy and weapons to ISIS or facsimiles thereof.

In fact Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Britain and France are among the many lengthy record of nations which have additionally variously supported their proxies attacking Syria.

Then we’ve got the additional very widespread media and diplomatic passive or lively endorsement of the assault on Syria, with an apparently inexhaustible provide of lies and hypocrisy.

Tons of of hundreds of Syrians lifeless and wounded.

Specific duty for the newest murderous ‘incident’, in Manbij, was claimed by a subset of these employed and impressed to assault Syria, however figuring out actual duty would forged a a lot bigger internet. Actual justice confers heavy duty not simply on the assassin, however on those that employed the assassin, or didn’t act to stop the homicide, and so on.

With regards to wars of aggression, from the army Tribunal at Nuremberg: “to initiate a war of aggression…is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Jan 16, 2019 12:46:48 PM | 1

It definitely makes it so much simpler for Daesh to kill US troopers if stated troopers are in Syria. It is a lot more durable if these troopers are again within the US (not that they’d return to the US in the event that they left Syria; they’d in all probability simply transfer to a base in Iraq, however simply saying).

Posted by: worldblee | Jan 16, 2019 12:58:54 PM | 2

@2 I doubt if Trump will use the phrase ‘retreat’. That would not look good within the headlines. He’ll more than likely change the timetable for withdrawal once more.

Posted by: dh | Jan 16, 2019 1:01:00 PM | three

thanks b for an summary on the newest.. as @1 robert s. notes – a number of of the gamers have been in step with the dangerous intentions.. usa, ksa, france, uk, israel and largely turkey.. now turkey is coming round, however it isn’t a completed deal.. i feel you’re proper and trumps place can be held.. i’m wondering how a lot of the unwritten a part of trumps concept includes mercenary teams and and so forth. just like the usa of the Sikorsky S-92 helicopter which you observe above? to me that’s the 64,000 query… and, i’m curious concerning the isis people paying giant sums of cash… are they utilizing us$, or? that may be fascinating to know…

Posted by: james | Jan 16, 2019 1:07:29 PM | four

re @5 tuesday morning was yesterday.. unsure why al masdar is looking it breaking information, lol..

Posted by: james | Jan 16, 2019 1:42:47 PM | 6

Southfront is reporting a possible false flag chemical assault deliberate for Idlib in coming days or perhaps weeks.
https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-jan-16-2019-chemical-attack-preparations-in-idlib-de-escalation-zone/

This mixed with the loopy Turkey Zone concept described above and the associated “agreement” that the US will keep a army air presence in northern Syria make me assume that Pompeo’s journey across the Center East final week was not nearly getting US allies on board with Trump’s said withdrawal of US troops from Syria. Quite, I feel Pompeo, Bolton, and the remaining haven’t given up making an attempt to concoct some additional state of affairs that may successfully tie Trump’s palms and delay inevitably US withdrawal from the theater of motion. I.e. if that evil bastard Assad
does chemically bomb Idlib, the righteous US Air Pressure might be there to provide him a serving of ‘Murican Justice and can show to all that the US should keep in Syria with a view to shield the Syrian individuals and so on and so forth and so on.

Posted by: WJ | Jan 16, 2019 2:02:26 PM | 7

Neither Russia nor even Syria can ship the sort of repression of the Kurds in Syria Erdogan must pursue his struggle towards Kurds in Turkey. Neither the PKK nor YPG are merely terrorists. They don’t seem to be even the prime aggressors. It was Erdogan who resumed struggle, suppressing political opposition by electoral means. The US however, can, simply because it favored large corruption within the KRG in Iraq. It’s the left (properly, far more left than PUK/KDP) politics within the Rojava enclave which is such an issue.

But Trump can’t depend on the YPG to maintain the warfare on the nationwide authorities going. The Kurds want US forces’ lively help. Thus the YPG will find yourself negotiating a peace with Damascus. However it doesn’t matter what Trump and his flacks say, this isn’t about getting out of imperialist warfare. It is about handing off the prices to inferiors. In the top, Trump will help some cope with Turkey that retains the struggle going.

Trump was not, isn’t and by no means will probably be for peace. Any declare on the contrary is BS. Trump is simply restrained from mad adventures from his discovery that when informed to place up, the generals all of the sudden uncover they need to say, we will not do this.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 16, 2019 three:07:46 PM | eight

That is the sign occasion that the Syrian Struggle 2.zero is in operation.

It’s an insurgency, led by suicide bombers of ISIS and AQ/al Nusra.

Bankrolled by the nations that are decided to kill Assad and destroy the Syrian nation, the insurgency will torment Syria for years to return.

That is the mannequin of US victorious army ventures. Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya are tormented for years, in some instances many years, by the identical CIA and/or Israeli proxies, often, Muslim Brotherhood adjuncts.

5 lifeless People, in all probability the survivors critically injured, is a pleasant begin. Manbij the right place. We noticed the photographs of US flags and Russian flags in close to proximity on the outskirts of this metropolis. The US was simply invited to go away. Completely focused, by a cell of ISIS who took their cash after which blew up their troopers.

The American public is numb to such low numbers of casualties. ISIS should kill scores of People to get an outrage and revulsion impact.

And in the event that they take Erik Prince’s recommendation and go completely PMC boots on the bottom, their recent proxies can be cannon fodder for Syrian and Russian munitions.

The West has misplaced Syria. Nevertheless, the Syrian nation continues to be going to endure model 2.zero till the Turks and US are pushed out.

Already, the US plan is to fly into Syria from Iraq to “fight ISIS”. CENTCOM is absolutely hooked on infinite carnage at everybody’s expense.

Anticipate this by means of the 2020 election, at minimal.

Posted by: Pink Ryder | Jan 16, 2019 three:33:40 PM | 9

In 2011, the French military arrested their former ally Laurent Gbagbo within the Ivory Coast to assist put in energy the pro-US Muslim opponent, Alasan Watara. Yesterday, the ICC has innocented Gbagbo in a real slap within the face of France. He and one acolyte have spent 7 years in jail.
Demos in Sudan for the primary time since 2011. Are we again to sq. one?

Posted by: Mina | Jan 16, 2019 three:35:48 PM | 10

Purple Ryder @9,

That may be a rattling high-quality and horribly dispiriting evaluation of the state of affairs. The one distinction between Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan is that the previous’s authorities and army stays intact and is arguably solely rising stronger. This makes any prolonged insurgency of the really destabilizing type you describe a lot much less possible. ISIS and different patsy brokers will largely be contained inside a number of not-yet stabilized areas, and the Syrian gov and army (w Russian assist) could have a lot larger coordinated intel on motion of suspicious individuals into and inside gov managed areas like Damascus. I subsequently do not see the insurgence plot understanding very properly absent a big and truly symbolically devastating assault on the regime. I do not assume Russia will permit such an assault to occur.

Posted by: WJ | Jan 16, 2019 three:51:07 PM | 11

Turkey got here up with the thought of the security zone?

https://www.france24.com/en/20190114-us-turkish-presidents-trump-erdogan-discuss-creating-security-zone-northern-syria

” Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and US counterpart Donald Trump mooted Monday the creation of a “security zone” in northern Syria as tensions rose over the destiny of Kurdish fighters within the war-torn nation.

In a phone dialog, the leaders “discussed the idea of creating a security zone cleared of terrorism in the north of the country,” the Turkish presidency stated in a press release.”

No clue on who provided what first?
Fairly a stretch to recommend it was Turkey.

In a carrot and stick sort of play the US possible provided the thought up of the ‘safety zone’ understanding full properly the false flag in Manbij would assure the withdrawal that was by no means going to occur, would not happen– video games individuals play and lies media inform.

“The suicide attack in Manbij also confirms that the Islamic State, even as it lost nearly all its territory, will continue to exist as an underground terrorist….”

So the idea of ISIS as a terror act vs proxy of the US continues to be being promoted right here?

“Trump is likely to win that argument.”

There isn’t any arguement to win- Trump is deep state man- He is promoted the deep state agenda each step of the best way.

Posted by: nameless | Jan 16, 2019 three:53:51 PM | 12

Purple Ryder, nameless, james and others

Actually heartened to see the skepticism about Trump in feedback.

Anybody paying consideration understands what’s actually happening.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 16, 2019 four:08:05 PM | 13

In Turkey the Manbij assault is seen because the Pentagon’s reply to the White Home (determination on leaving SR).

Posted by: ConfusedPundit | Jan 16, 2019 four:19:42 PM | 14

@ Pink Ryder | Jan 16, 2019 three:33:40 PM | 9
That is the sign occasion that the Syrian Struggle 2.zero is in operation.
One man in a suicide vest from god is aware of the place is a brand new warfare? Come on.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 four:53:03 PM | 15

This is a tweet from Manbij, scroll right down to see a video of the explosion.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 four:58:54 PM | 16

This entire U.S. exit from Syria lip service was a Trump p.r. stunt. Jackrabbit was proper all alongside. Trump is deep state.

The media talked about there is a U.S. base simply on the outskirts of Manbij. What number of bases are there? There are greater than 2000 troops in Syria, in fact. Whoever did this needed to provide the U.S. army an excuse to remain. We have been punked by Trump. What else is new? Nothing extra to see.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 16, 2019 5:06:09 PM | 17

This is a photograph of the so-called “U.S. base just on the outskirts of Manbij.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 5:13:22 PM | 18

@ 12
Trump would’ve promoted a wall, not a safety zone. Should have been Erdogan.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 5:22:53 PM | 19

The situation have been totally different, and in addition the size of the assault, however reminiscences of the 1983 Beirut Marine barracks bombing which resulted in President Reagan pulling out all troops, about 35 years in the past.

from FP
Three-and-a-half months after the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut that killed 241 U.S. army personnel — and after repeatedly pledging not to take action — Reagan ordered the withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Lebanon. As Gen. Colin Powell later aptly summarized this army misadventure: “Beirut wasn’t sensible and it never did serve a purpose. It was goofy from the beginning.”

Talking of goofy, now we (supposedly) have US-supported radicals, Obama’s JV workforce, the Sunnis who have been imagined to right the unexpected Shia-supporting outcomes of Operation Iraqi Freedom, going rogue. Positive.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 5:37:29 PM | 20

@9 purple ryder.. thanks, as disheartening as your submit is, it’s a lot how i see it.. perhaps @11 wj high-quality tunes it, however that’s my view… i hate to say it, however i nonetheless assume we’re headed to ww3 in all this.. we simply have not gotten their but… with the usa-israel intent on destroying syria (and having pals like ksa-uae and and so forth feeling threatened by turkey and comfortable to funnel infinite cash/isis varieties into this), i can not see how it will play out any in a different way..

@14 confused pundit.. thanks for offering your perspective right here.. cp lives in turkey..

Posted by: james | Jan 16, 2019 5:57:13 PM | 21

Neither Russia nor even Syria can ship the type of repression of the Kurds in Syria Erdogan must pursue his warfare towards Kurds in Turkey. Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 16, 2019 three:07:46 PM | eight

For that matter, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan didn’t ship it in Turkey, did he? For that matter, Israel nonetheless doesn’t repress to its full satisfaction (however they’ve a really lofty normal. If a wall on Turkish border fall brief of what’s wanted, why the second warfare 32 km additional south would do the trick?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 16, 2019 6:12:22 PM | 22

@18 DB

FYI there are three U.S. bases close to and round Manbij:

The well-equipped base situated subsequent to Al-Etihad College is known as “al-Sa’eidah” named after a village which lies lower than two kilometres northwest of the bottom.

It’s onerous to estimate the variety of the American forces stationed there. Nevertheless, some reviews recommend round 500 to 1,000 US troops are current there, which exhibits the significance of this base in prime Pentagon commanders’ equations almost about Syria.

The USA’ second largest army base on this area is known as “Al-Assaliyeh” situated north of a village with the identical identify.

Just a few photographs of the Al-Assaliyeh base have been revealed, which present it is rather essential for the SDF and the USA security-wise. Al-Assaliyeh lies lower than 5 kilometres from the Euphrates area. Some specialists consider america’ maintains trendy espionage and monitoring gear at this base.

America’ third largest army base in Manbij is “Awn al-Dadat.” It borders the Euphrates area and lies on the southern financial institution of the Sajur river.

On the entire, multiple thousand American forces with state-of-the-art gear and armoured models are stationed on the three bases within the suburbs of Manbij. This has urged the army commanders in Syria to play a task in figuring out the destiny of Manbij area, which has additional difficult the state of affairs of the town.

three U.S. bases in Manjib

Posted by: Circe | Jan 16, 2019 6:56:12 PM | 23

pl calling this safety zone concept worse then a criminal offense, it is a blunder..

Posted by: james | Jan 16, 2019 7:05:49 PM | 24

time to get out. Trump hit spot when he stated he does not need to write letters to the household a few fallen soldier.

Posted by: Toxik | Jan 16, 2019 7:22:51 PM | 26

The US MSM enjoying on the “Trump lies” theme, made positive to level out that Trump stated ISIS had been defeated. They know what he meant. Nevertheless it’s politics for the individuals.

Posted by: Curtis | Jan 16, 2019 7:23:19 PM | 27

Trumps President. He wants argue with no one. He needs them out, he orders them out, and anybody who doesn’t comply with orders will get fired or courtmartialed. Easy

I and others have been skeptical about his actual intentions. The 2000 troops ate actually a really small a part of US general involvement in Syria. Between particular forces staying as observers or concerned in covert operatioms, personal contractors, arab/kurd militants that they arm and practice, a big base on the Iraq aspect of the border, and so on one can anticipate the US to remain absolutely engaged in Syria no matter these 2000 troops.

As for the suicide bomber, I’m all the time a bit suspicious of acts which appear to be counter to the perpetrators curiosity. If the US have been actually preventing ISIS then ISIS can be pleased to see them go, why do something to vary their thoughts. If ISIS is a part of the US/Saudi/Israeli coalition then it has all of the indicators of a FF assault to permit Trump to justify a reversal he doubtless meant from the beginning. Chances are you’ll select which appears to make extra sense.

Posted by: Pft | Jan 16, 2019 7:29:57 PM | 28

The timing of this assault, and is it not the primary US troopers killed in Syria? Only a coincidence?

Posted by: steve | Jan 16, 2019 7:46:51 PM | 29

Studying the pull out would require a whole F-35B squadron of fighters on board the united statesEssex, in addition to round four,500 Marines who might be on standby. Considering the pull out could also be a Trojan Horse for a future escalation. Time will inform.

Posted by: Pft | Jan 16, 2019 eight:18:09 PM | 30

@28 & 29 The timing positive is unusual….ISIS have had loads of alternatives to do that earlier than. Perhaps they need the US to remain….or perhaps they really feel deserted.

Posted by: dh | Jan 16, 2019 eight:20:29 PM | 31

…information headline
Lindsey Graham says Trump’s Syria statements emboldened ISIS

What motivates suicide bombers? Revenge, principally.

…from Yale

The proof from the database largely discredits the widespread knowledge that the character of suicide bombers and their faith are the principal trigger. It exhibits that although faith can play an important position in recruiting and motivating potential future suicide bombers, the driving drive is just not faith however a cocktail of motivations together with politics, humiliation, revenge, retaliation and altruism. The configuration of those motivations is said to the precise circumstances of the political battle behind the rise of suicide assaults in several nations.
On October four, 2003, 29 yr previous Palestinian lawyer Hanadi Jaradat exploded her suicide belt within the Maxim restaurant in Haifa killing 20 individuals and wounding many extra. Based on her household, her suicide mission was in revenge for the killing of her brother and her fiancé by the Israeli safety forces and in revenge for all of the crimes Israel had perpetrated within the West Financial institution by killing Palestinians and expropriating their lands. The primary motive for a lot of suicide bombings in Israel is revenge for acts dedicated by Israelis. . .right here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 eight:21:54 PM | 32

“The Islamic State terror group quickly claimed responsibility for Wednesday’s attack”
Nicely gosh, we have now to consider them if they seem to be a licensed terror group, like we now have to consider Israel on air raids, one other licensed terror group.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 eight:31:19 PM | 33

Set as much as fail?

It is helpful to think about about what Trump might’ve achieved if he actually needed to exit Syria.

He might have merely handed northeastern Syria again to Syria.

Planning and coordination for this (involving Syria, Kurds, Russia, and Turkey) can be greatest executed quietly earlier than an announcement. However that would not require a lot time. With such a handover to the acknowledged authorities of Syria, there can be no handwringing concerning the Kurds or ISIS. The Kurds are Syrian and are more likely to get a point of autonomy however Syrian troops would patrol the border. And Syria and Russia have confirmed that they hate ISIS as a lot as anybody.

US troops and contractors might’ve left Syria in 10 days as an alternative of 10 weeks. They might’ve been out earlier than New Years Day.

Trump: Let Russia struggle ISIS!

Neocons and Israel would bitch, but when completed shortly, there would have been little alternative for ISIS, Israel, or neocons to “veto” a US withdrawal by way of actions like this assault in Manbij.

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I nonetheless consider that Trump’s pre-Christmas ‘pull out’ announcement was rushed to appropriately place Trump previous to the Israeli Christmas false flag try. The hand-wringing about Kurds and ISIS delayed the ‘pull out’ to offer time for shenanigans that might ‘trigger Trump to rethink his ‘pull out’.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 16, 2019 eight:31:37 PM | 34

@ steve | Jan 16, 2019 7:46:51 PM | 29
The timing of this assault, and is it not the primary US troopers killed in Syria?

The Pentagon does not report such issues. It studies kills as “casualties” right here underneath numerous “operations” — Syria is a part of Operation Inherent Resolve. One also can pore over Pentagon information releases right here for extra particular information on “casualties” i.e. deaths.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 eight:46:40 PM | 35

If saa & russian forces instantly/very quickly launched a marketing campaign with large bombing of every little thing within the space excluding the us/isis coaching foundation would not the issue countires & mainstream media be at a loss on the subject of condemning such motion? If a marketing campaign just isn’t launched inside 24 houra I see a missed alternative on the aspect of excellent.

Posted by: Hydration not John Helmer | Jan 16, 2019 9:04:37 PM | 37

With due respect to all these arguing that a Syrian escalation was what Trump was gaming for all alongside (which can or will not be proper), please drop the naïveté concerning the President with the ability to do no matter he needs relating to overseas coverage and particularly the Center East. I might assume that the commentariat right here would have a extra lifelike sense of the very circumscribed position of Presidential energy in relation to the mixed forces of the MIC and deep state on such points. Trump might or might not have “wanted” the US to exit Syria, however let’s not fake that IF he needed it it might simply occur like snap as a result of he is Commander in Chief yadda yadda. Everyone knows issues do not work like that in the actual world and have not for a very long time.

Posted by: WJ | Jan 16, 2019 9:21:07 PM | 38

And now we all know the place a few of the “lost” billions of dollars of US paper foreign money the USA shipped into Iraq in 2003/four, actually on pallets, for “rebuilding” went. To what would turn into ISIS in 12 years.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 16, 2019 9:31:27 PM | 39

And now we all know the place a few of the “lost” billions of dollars of US paper foreign money the USA shipped into Iraq in 2003/four, actually on pallets, for “rebuilding” went. To what would develop into ISIS in 12 years.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 16, 2019 9:31:44 PM | 40

@ robjira | Jan 16, 2019 eight:57:10 PM | 36
Sure, however it’s worse than that, why the F-35 is honestly generally known as the mistake-jet. The F-35 system, in three variants, shouldn’t be permitted for manufacturing but primarily as a result of it lacks operational testing. So the Air Drive, the most important purchaser of the defective pre-production prototypes being manufactured solely to offer income to Lockheed Martin now has a pair hundred of those nugatory planes parked in 24-plane “training squadrons” in Arizona. The Marines aren’t far behind, and Navy (to its credit score) has been delaying nugatory F-35 buys at nicely over $100 million every.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 9:32:17 PM | 41

@ Jay | Jan 16, 2019 9:31:44 PM | 40
Talking of delivery in to Baghdad, what are they delivery out? The world’s largest embassy is a big exporter.

Greater than one million kilograms of cargo have been shipped from Baghdad to totally different elements of the world, reveals US embassies procurement paperwork.
Mysterious cargo shipments from the US Embassy in Baghdad to different American embassies and consulates around the globe have been revealed on a Wikileaks’ database. Procurement orders of US embassies are public paperwork, however Wikileaks put them in a searchable database making it simpler to analyse. . .right here and right here.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 9:38:43 PM | 42

@ WJ | Jan 16, 2019 9:21:07 PM | 38
agreed

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 16, 2019 9:40:52 PM | 43

@38

So based mostly in your premise of the very circumscribed energy of a President, to be truthful, we will additionally excuse Bush and Obama for the shet they pulled, as a result of the neocons and the deep state pressured their hand. Please. Trump and his predecessors, an necessary a part of the AZ Empire’s continuum; are all well-financed, prepared collaborators.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 16, 2019 10:20:11 PM | 44

Don @ 41

Israel has “taken one for the team” and acquired supply on a couple of F-35s. I perceive they despatched one alongside on considered one of their ~200 unlawful forays into Syria; it returned to base broken, apparently by a “collision with a bird.” Ouch.

Posted by: robjira | Jan 16, 2019 10:20:45 PM | 45

Circe @44,

Trump is distinct from Bush and Obama in a number of methods. Having the FBI start a covert op towards him with out DOJ approval simply after the election is a working example. Do not assume something like that ever occurred to W or the Obombonator. I’m not defending Trump, simply asking for a touch of realism. If it makes you are feeling higher to deal with him as an ethical scapegoat go forward. I do not actually care apart from the truth that I feel in his case particularly it’s a extra complicated state of affairs than many listed here are prepared to confess. I can say this with out being a defender of Trump.

Posted by: WJ | Jan 16, 2019 10:33:59 PM | 46

Hopefully Erdgoan overplays his hand – he is reaching that time already and if there’s large monetary punishment because of a legal assault on the Kurds he might lose energy within the vein of Salazar, the Colonels, and so forth. Europe and the world has had sufficient of his appearing as jail keeper of the Mediterranean.

Posted by: Blooming Barricade | Jan 16, 2019 10:52:49 PM | 47

@1
I keep in mind in that textual content, there’s a particular point out of journalists who promote invasion, agression, and their authorized responsability on this “root of all evils”. As they pave the best way for conflict crimes, they’re extra accountable, extra responsible than those that comply with.

Posted by: alain | Jan 16, 2019 10:56:01 PM | 48


Trump might or might not have “wanted” the US to exit Syria, however let’s not fake that IF he needed it it might simply occur like snap as a result of he is Commander in Chief yadda yadda. Everyone knows issues do not work like that in the actual world and have not for a very long time.
Posted by: WJ | Jan 16, 2019 9:21:07 PM | 38

Persevering with the ‘might or might not’ theme, Colonel Pat Lang over at Sic Semper Tyrannis claims to have studied and mastered the clauses of the US Structure which relate to the powers of POTUS as CIC of the Armed Forces. PL (and the US Military’s) interpretation is that the Armed Forces are obliged to comply with the CIC’s orders (until these orders are unlawful?).

If that’s true, and Trump decides that the Armed Forces are needlessly dragging their ft on the Syria withdrawal, he can name within the Joint Chiefs, or whomever, activate his BS detector and ask them “What’s the problem guys?” and repair it for them. Then negotiate a deadline and warn them of the consequence of lacking it.

Why he hasn’t completed this already is anyone’s guess. However because the bloke who promised to empty the Swamp it is as much as Trump to determine how greatest to perform that goal, provided that his drain the Swamp plan is the one one in existence…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 16, 2019 10:56:49 PM | 49

let Turkey put its personal rattling “security zone” on its aspect of its personal rattling border with Syria

Erdogan’s safety zone will flip into his insecurity zone before he might ever suspect

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jan 16, 2019 10:58:21 PM | 50

michaelj72 | Jan 16, 2019 10:58:21 PM | 50
Exactly michaelj72!! Erdogan is simply doing a self necessary posturing very similar to the Donald does. Turkey created their buffer zone in 1915 by slaughtering the Armenians with the in a position help of the Kurds. One other genocide we recall with horror.

Trump is determined to launch an assault on Iran who he hates since they snotted USA many years in the past and couldn’t be crippled by way of financial sanctions. Trump and his gang of pirates is determined to make an excuse to snot Iran. In the meantime the USAians fail to mobilise round wage and profit and tax calls for at residence.

The good distraction strikes once more. Conflict feeds the beast: Peace feeds the individuals.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 16, 2019 11:40:51 PM | 51

@b – “Most likely Erdogan will be convinced that Syrian government control over the Kurdish areas, and Russian guarantees for a mostly quiet border, are a better solution than a costly Turkish occupation of a hostile population.”

That is definitely the sensible transfer. And critical strategic considering ought to make it clear that the Kurds constrained as members of Syrian political and army society might be a far safer neighbor for Turkey than primarily shifting Turkey’s border – i.e. its most weak line – deep into an insurgency perpetually fueled by its very presence.

I am additionally unsure how properly the Turks would do towards the Kurds AND the Syrian military mixed. Or slightly, I’m positive, and I am positive that Erdogan has heard Dr. Assad state his intention to regulate all of Syria sufficient occasions to listen to the unshakeable fact of it. Syria won’t permit such a state of affairs, and solely the fool US and crazed Israel might have dreamed it up. Turkey floated the thought, and takes the reprimand, however it appears to have come from Trump, which presumably means his advisors.

Erdogan appears to need to flip and flop round in phrases at occasions – and the elections you point out certainly give rise to some grandstanding – however his actions by no means waver one bit, not when it comes to his pursuit of geopolitical security for Turkey, and within the development line of Turkey’s rising lodging of the Eurasian view.

I’ve stated earlier than that I like Erdogan’s finesse in treating with each west and east in ways in which maintain Turkey’s inventory excessive with each side, regardless that that inventory is definitely decrease with both sides individually. In some ways, dealing with each methods is what retains Turkey afloat proper now. However it’s additionally Turkey’s pure position on the planet, for my part. Turkey will proceed to develop stronger and experience the currents of the forces throughout it, remaining firmly in place because the immovable rock astride each the east and the west, the position it does greatest.

That is my aspiration.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 16, 2019 11:56:12 PM | 52

@four james & 40 Jay

I collect that there are actually a number of tens of trillions of dollars value of black cash on the planet, constituting a whole international financial system. Unrecorded cash apparently is owned and utilized by forces starting from the smallest drug or arms vendor to the richest speculators, together with the US authorities with its Trade Stabilization Fund and its many businesses with their lavish covert expenditures. We all know that from the Pentagon alone, $21 Trillion has circulated with out an accounting.

I additionally learn the suggestion from William Gibson as soon as that the One Hundred Greenback Invoice (USD) is the supreme foreign money of crime worldwide. It does not shock me that there appears to be pallets of the stuff concerned in mercenary and shady army operations. Cash is all the time the lightest baggage to hold whereas touring.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 17, 2019 12:18:16 AM | 53

There isn’t a group going by the acronym ISIS. Maintaining the bogeyman alive at this level is being disingenuous.

Posted by: by no means thoughts | Jan 17, 2019 2:06:47 AM | 54

Grieved@53

Their are just one.7 trillion US dollars in circulation.

Travelling with giant quantities of money in extra of 10Okay dangers confiscation do you have to not declare it, and even for those who do. In reality do you have to be stopped within the US for a visitors violation police can legally confiscate any sum if money ( even 1000) based mostly solely on them suspecting you could be as much as no good. That money is then used to complement their budgets (or wage).

A lot of the darkish cash is in Eurodollar accounts in tax havens though most of the tax havens have been pressured into signing on to the CRS. Which suggests solely sanctioned Darkish Cash is permitted. This cash is definitely digital cash like over 97% of the worlds cash present as digital entries on a diffusion sheet . Crypto currencies are in all probability being utilized as Darkish Cash as properly. We’ll quickly be getting into a cashless world the place all transactions will probably be digital.

The Pentagons lacking trillions was not Darkish Cash. It was reputable and budgeted cash. They only didn’t present what it was used for in a option to fulfill the accountants. Type of like not having a receipt for one in every of your private defuctions or enterprise bills.

Posted by: Pft | Jan 17, 2019 2:09:36 AM | 55

@52 grieved.. turkey is on an entire new path with erdogan.. i’m not positive it’s a new path, or some recreation of an ottoman empire previous, however regardless it’s an experiment and he has needed to throw in jail many within the media and a quantity in his armed forces to get the place he’s in the present day.. we’ll see the place it goes with erdo..isis might simply as simply knock him off as they did the four or 5 usa troops.. i nonetheless do not belief erdogan for a lot, and am sorry to say i do not assume it’s going to finish properly for him right here both..

as to the cash @53 submit.. it received me considering how an entire devaluation of us$ as a convertible foreign money would remedy a number of issues!!! if the cash might solely be spent within the usa, or higher but – they changed it with a brand new foreign money whereby all of the previous foreign money, 2018 and prior was lifeless – would not that save all of the black market shenanigans? at this level it looks like all cash is a few sort of ponzi scheme, and foreign money change locations are only a small a part of all of it..

Posted by: james | Jan 17, 2019 2:14:31 AM | 56

“There is no organization going by the acronym ISIS. Keeping the bogeyman alive at this point is being disingenuous.”

Posted by: by no means thoughts | Jan 17, 2019 2:06:47 AM | 54

That is foolish. It is the acronym of the interpretation of the Arabic former identify of Da’ish, however not the present one. Does it matter?

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 17, 2019 four:34:57 AM | 57

Posted by: alain | Jan 16, 2019 10:56:01 PM | 48

“I keep in mind in that textual content, there’s a particular point out of journalists who promote invasion, aggression, and their obligation on this “root of all evils”. As they pave the best way for warfare crimes, they’re extra accountable, extra responsible than those that comply with.”

That is what the judgement discovered at Nuremburg.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/judstrei.asp

So if there ever have been a tribunal which put the neocons on trial by Nuremburg requirements, it would not solely be the likes of The Clintons, Bush, Obama, Trump, and numerous generals who can be discovered responsible and hanged. That may additionally go for the main war-monger propagandists within the media.

Posted by: Russ | Jan 17, 2019 7:29:15 AM | 59

nobel peace candidate trump’s govt simply arrested an iranian information anchor on undisclosed fees. in different information, erdogan is looking for to get enes kanter, an nba participant from turkey, arrested as a terrorist. the warmongers simply maintain ramping up the strain, a method or one other, they’re decided to get one other conflict.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 17, 2019 7:40:46 AM | 60

re Delta 61. EU initiatives with regard to refugees have been inevitable after 2015. It wasn’t the EU which pushed the conflict in Syria (aside from members, Britain, and a lesser extent, France), everyone knows who did, however it was the EU which suffered. Merkel needed to do one thing to halt the flood. It wasn’t good, however there was no various (TINA, as Thatcher used to say).

Posted by: Laguerre | Jan 17, 2019 eight:05:17 AM | 62

“… there would be an Arab coalition force to stop Turkey from advancing further south…” @58
It must embrace Syrian, Iraqi and Hezbollah forces. The US aligned states have solely proxy militias, of very restricted army effectiveness, to supply. Their army is totally occupied sustaining the varied allies of Israel and Washington in energy. They might be impotent towards Turkey.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 17, 2019 eight:52:15 AM | 63

With regards to wars of aggression, from the army Tribunal at Nuremberg: “to initiate a war of aggression…is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”
Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Jan 16, 2019 12:46:48 PM | 1

I submit that in a simply world, there can be one crime much more supreme than the crime of struggle of aggression, and that’s the crime of financially profiting from a warfare* or aggressive menace of warfare, financially induced propaganda for warfare, pretend information resulting in conflict or threatening conflict or inciting conflict** or more likely to trigger conflict, giving or receiving funds akin to political donations meant to extend the income of warfare, financing or providing to finance or again a conflict of aggression, any sort of monetary hypothesis associated to conflict, financially associated corruption of any type linked in any method to struggle, and doubtless quite a few comparable financially associated actions.

* (apart from revenue from real defence from a a conflict not provoked or incited by the profiteer)
** (together with for instance pretend information aimed toward Russia that will increase the danger of Russia being pressured into conflict by advantage of perceived threats)

Why would the above represent a extra supreme crime than the crime of conflict of aggression itself? As a result of it supplies the inspiration for the first motivation for warfare, for enthusiasm for struggle, and the sustenance for warfare. With out such monetary incentives warfare would rarely exist.

For instance, if the USA – standing to financially revenue from the warfare – induced Ukraine to provoke a warfare of aggression towards Russia, or to incite Russia to assault Ukraine, then the crime thereby dedicated by USA can be immeasurably larger than that dedicated by Ukraine in initiating such a struggle of aggression.

Posted by: BM | Jan 17, 2019 eight:57:17 AM | 64

re media’s indispensable position in wars of aggression: When NATO bombed Serbian broadcasting facility on April 23rd, 1999, killing at the very least 16 individuals, in NATO’s 1999 conflict of aggression based mostly on lies upon what was left of Yugoslavia, the assault was ‘justified’ as an assault on an integral a part of ‘the Serbian conflict machine’ and so forth.

So logically it follows that CNN, BBC, CBC, and so forth and so on and so forth, as criminally-weaponized media on the subject of creating help for and lies and canopy for wars of aggression, are integral elements of the PTB conflict machine, and people answerable for these struggle selling and enabling insurance policies can sleep soundly and preen their feathers glibly of their standing as un-indicted struggle criminals, so long as their pernicious position is just not publicly referred to as out, or actual justice sought.

Then again, good reporting in lots of locations is censored or murdered: Peter Brock wrote a ebook ‘Media Cleaning, Soiled Reporting’ on the media’s position in destroying Yugoslavia, and his guide launch was ignored/censored by media. Michael Hastings had an enormous story to inform and was assassinated. and so forth.

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Jan 17, 2019 9:54:48 AM | 65

@BM | Jan 17, 2019 eight:57:17 AM | 64
. . .one crime much more supreme than the crime of struggle of aggression, and that’s the crime of financially taking advantage of a conflict. . .

. . .from Chapter 4 of Smedley Butler’s “War is a Racket,” eighty years in the past:

. . .WELL, it is a racket, all proper.

A few revenue — and the various pay. However there’s a approach to cease it. You possibly can’t finish it by disarmament conferences. You’ll be able to’t remove it by peace parleys at Geneva. Nicely-meaning however impractical teams cannot wipe it out by resolutions. It may be smashed successfully solely by taking the revenue out of conflict.

The one solution to smash this racket is to conscript capital and business and labor earlier than the nations manhood could be conscripted. One month earlier than the Authorities can conscript the younger males of the nation — it should conscript capital and business and labor. Let the officers and the administrators and the high-powered executives of our armament factories and our munitions makers and our shipbuilders and our airplane builders and the producers of all the opposite issues that present revenue in conflict time in addition to the bankers and the speculators, be conscripted — to get $30 a month, the identical wage because the lads within the trenches get. . .right here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jan 17, 2019 9:58:28 AM | 66

Will Trump order a 3rd assault on Syria?

In accordance with USA, Assad created ISIS.

Based on USA, US+SDF destroyed ISIS (not R+6).

ISIS bombs restaurant, killing and wounding America troopers after Trump introduced ‘pull out’.

Nonetheless no phrase from Trump on the dying of People in Syria. Does he not need to say something till he has ‘punished’ Assad?

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 17, 2019 10:22:42 AM | 67